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Monday, November 24, 2008

OOoohhh....Controversy...

Over whether President-elect Obama is actually qualified to be president.

(Don't roll your eyes. Yes, I know about snopes.com, but hear me out, ok?)

Maybe you haven't heard all the controversy entails. Let me give you the details. Then we will have intelligent conversation about this, not sensational name-calling, or fact making-up.

There is much debate surrounding President-elect Obama's place of birth. Reps from his side are saying he was born in Hawaii, while there was an interview with his grandmother (who he claims to have been very close to) stating she was there when he was born in Kenya.

Why is this an issue? Because the Constitution states that a person desiring to become President of the United States MUST be a natural born citizen. And back when President-elect Obama was born, the law states that a child born outside of the United States, in order to be labeled a "natural born citizen", must have at least one parent who is a citizen and who lived in the US for ten years, five of which must be after the age of sixteen.

Herein lies the controversy. If he was indeed born in Kenya, he does not fit the requirement. Why? Because his father was not a US citizen. He was from Kenya. And his mother was a US citizen, but she was nineteen when he was born- not meeting the five year requirement after age sixteen to allow him to be a natural born citizen. Dual citizenship was not allowed at that time.

A confusing factor in all of this is that President-elect Obama does have a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but that is not the same as an original birth certificate. Hawaiian law allowed residents to apply for a certificate of live birth up to one year after the birth of their child. But this, in no legal sense, can replace an original birth certificate.

There are approximately nineteen different law suits pending in various states relating to this very subject. People have called for the governing bodies in Hawaii to release the document they have, to prove President-elect Obama's citizenship status, but they refuse. I can understand that. It is private information. They can't release my records without my consent, so I would not want them to release his either.

However, if there is nothing to the cases submitted to the court, then why doesn't President-elect Obama just show the public his birth certificate and be done with it? Why waste the money and time of the court in dragging out fraudulent claims?

And snopes.com cannot have proof of his birth certificate just through the facts gathered from other places. The courts do not even have a copy of the document the Hawaiian governing body holds. How can they say this is a moot point? There has been no satisfactory evidence.

What this boils down to is that we, as a nation, need to decide whether the Constitution matters. If this requirement, as stated in the Constitution of the United States of America, is thrown aside and disregarded, then what part of it is next?

If the facts prove President-elect Obama's qualification, why he doesn't come forward already? And if they prove he is unqualified, what should be done about it? Is it a criminal offense to knowingly run for an office you are not qualified to hold? Will we have to have an election redo? Is there hope for Huckabee???

Now, this is the part where we have intelligent banter. I have not stated an opinion in this post, (well, except for the Huckabee thing) just facts as I have seen them on the internet. I am not accusing President-elect Obama of hiding anything, or trying to get away with something illegal. I just want to know the truth.

Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

6 Comments:

  • Mary

    I am tempted to say 'only in America!", but that might be a bit rude. Surely someone thought of this hiccup during that incredibly long winded election campaign? I know, I know - drama drama drama. Sorry I couldn't offer an intelligent response. Just don't get it!

  • WendyMom

    To Mary- that's why our process is like no other in the world- good and bad parts included! And long winded for sure- I eve get sick of it and I'm a citizen! I can only imagine how it must seem to the rest of the world...

    As the person who sent Juliemom the link to the snopes page, I want to stand corrected right now and apologize. I did not know the information about what his grandmother said about his birth place. At the very least, I think someone should investigate these accusations- wouldn't that be a kicker? What frightens me is that I'm not sure anyone will really care- and if black America was going to riot if he lost the election, what will happen if it's taken from him? Heaven help us all...

    Pray. Keep praying. That's what God is impressing on my heart since this all began- pray. He is in control.

  • Aunt Bossy

    Don't feel bad, Wendymom--I sent the snopes.com page to her, too. And I'm not apologizing for it, either. (Didn't earn my name for nothing!) I heard of this controversy during the campaign. The trouble is, it only seems to be alive and well on the internet; there's not a lot of other sources that are reporting it or commenting on it. Could this be a conspiracy of silence? It's a possibility, sure. However, the internet is an easy way for people to spread rumors and have them fly through cyberspace unchecked. Chances are, whenever anything comes to you with dire news or information and instructs you to "send this to all your friends," 99.9% of the time it's a hoax. So I am VERY skeptical about things that only seem to show up in e-mail forwards. Not that the mainstream media hasn't covered it; it has and various fact-checking sites have looked into the claims. But when most of the information supporting this argument is from anonymous sources whom I am unable to verify/check out their legitimacy, I tend to be very wary. Now, that being said, the interview with his grandmother sounds interesting. I did a little searching and found a transcript of the phone conversation that took place with the help of an interpreter (she speaks Swahili). From what I read, she doesn't say "she was at his birth in Kenya." The man calling asks to see his birthplace in Kenya when he comes to visit and asks if she was present when he was born in Kenya. To which she responded, through an interpreter, that yes, she was there when he was born. So the conversation was going through an interpreter AND the question was leading; it's not hard to see how she could have answered the wrong question. Or she could have meant to say that he was born in Kenya. Or what I found isn't the real interview and there's another one out there...in any case, I cannot buy into the controversy based on that piece of evidence. At least not until I've done more research.

    I'm also skeptical since, from what I can gather, the people asking the questions don't really want the truth, they want to be right. When a certificate was produced, they said it was a fake/forgery, or OK, it's real but it's not a real birth certificate but a Certificate of Live Birth which is different, etc. Maybe they are right and they are running into a large conspiracy that stretches from Kenya to Hawaii to the National Democratic Convention and includes every major news media. I even checked around Fox news (a traditionally conservative news agency) and everything they have regarding this concludes that it's a non-issue. (Incidentally, McCain was born on a naval base in the Panama Canal and there was a lawsuit filed in California to get his name off of the ballot because of his birthplace; it was dismissed.)

    And finally, when it comes to matters of Biblical truth where the wrong information has eternal consequences, then I believe it is worth it to delve into a messy controversy and uncover the truth. Not that our Constitution isn't important--it is--but to get to the bottom of this controversy requires more time than I'm willing to spend. In the end, it is God who ordains who is to lead our country and right now, Obama is exactly where God wants him. I mean, consider the Old Testament and how often rulers would come into power via bloody overthrows, yet it was clearly God's will that they reign (i.e. King Darius in Daniel). So I just cannot find it in me to get all worked up about where Obama was born. If he's lying, then he will give an account someday to God--a far higher authority than me or any American court. Until then, I will strive to be wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove, and trust that God is in control.

  • JulieMom

    Mary- you're not the only one.

    WendyMom- no apology needed.

    Aunt Bossy- I'm not getting all worked up about anything, either. I just heard about this, thought it was interesting, and wanted to know what other people thought.

    I know God is sovereign. I trust that He has all things under His control at all times.

    And I am SUPER LEARY of internet forwards that proclaim gloom and doom too. (You will notice NO history of me forwarding stuff like that.) But that's not how I heard about this believe it or not.

    And being as how I have no tv here, I don't know what's being covered back home. (Can you watch the news online??) I just wanna know what happens.

    And maybe next time you need to write your rebuttal in YOUR OWN BLOG POST. Ha!

    I love you girl. :0)

  • Brenda

    I heard about this months ago-it was all over talk radio at the end of the campaign. I have serious and total doubts that any of the law suits will be successful and all assurances that this will be swept under the rug and never appear in the history books.

  • Joni

    Wow - lots to think about. I agree with Juliemom - I don't understand why Obama doesn't come out and give evidence if he has nothing to hide. If it were me, I would want to give proof that I'm not lying to the world.

    God has been teaching me a LOT about loving others simply because He loves them no matter what, so I am more apt to pray for the President this go-round.

    I love ya, Jules!! I think this is something that needs to be addressed, but won't be, because it's easier not to deal with it.

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